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Die Rückkehr des Königs

In Sachen rausschneiden von Saruman:

Mir ist es lieber, wenn er nicht vorkommt, als wenn er so stirbt wie es gedreht wurde!

1. Die Befreiung des Auenlandes wurde niemals gedreht, ebenso wenig wie die Szene mit gandalf am Orthanc.
2. Saruman wird in der Special Edition vom Turm des Orthancs springen und so sterben.

Ich verstehe nicht, was sich Peter Jackson dabei gedacht hat!
 
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Ok, das ist auch daneben. Ich hab eh das Gefühl, je weiter der Film fortschreitet, um so mehr entfernt er sich vom Original. Teil 1 war ja voll ok, aber in Teil 2 gabs schon Sachen, die ich seltsam fand. Aber das, was du da erzählst, würde dem Ganzen ja echt die Krone aufsetzten. Das gefällt mir ganz und gar nicht.
 
Mir auch nicht!
Das ist ja echt eine komplette Veränderung des Buches!
Finds so schade, dass die Befreiung des Auenlandes nicht vorkommt, das hat mir im Buch so gut gefallen *heul*
 
Also Saruman wäre von Schlangenzunge vom Orthang geschubst worden und Saruman wäre dann auf so ein dämliches Rad mit Zacken gefallen! Das Ende hätte mir nicht gefallen!

Aber die Befreiung vom Auenland hätte den Film nur wieder unnötig in die Länge gezogen! Um ehrlich zu sein so wie das Buch geendet hat mit den letzten Satz von Sam das hat mir auch nicht so gefallen!

Aber Peter Jackson hat doch tatsächlich eine Sezene gedreht in der Sauron aus seinen Turm herauskommt. Als Aragorn und die Armee vorm dunklen Tor gestanden sind!
Das wäre ja ur cool gewesen, aber das hätte überhaupt nicht mehr zum Buch gepasst! Aberich hätts trotzdem gerne gesehen!
 
Na ja, ich hab mich schon im ersten Teil gewundert, warum Sam nicht das Kästchen von Galadriel kriegt, mit der Erde und den Malhornsamen drin. Aber so erklärts natürlich alles.

Trotzdem schade. Ich häng halt einfach doch etwas mehr am Buch als am Film.

Aber trotz allem hat Peter "The Hobbit" Jackson einen guten Film gedreht über einen Stoff, der bis dahin als unverfilmbar galt.
 
hab gestern den trailer zu HdR3 gesehen... ich wollt den film am liebsten sofort sehen... bin schon sooo gespannt drauf!

hab auch gelesen, dass saruman rausgeschnitten worden ist,
das witzige dabei fand ich, in unserem kino gibts immer so ein heft (cinestar), wo immer über die neuesten filme berichtet wird.
und bei HdR stand drin:
Darsteller: Christopher Lee

aber der ist doch rausgeschnitten worden :fragend: oder irre ich?

gruß, SANDY
 
Andra schrieb:
Na ja, ich hab mich schon im ersten Teil gewundert, warum Sam nicht das Kästchen von Galadriel kriegt, mit der Erde und den Malhornsamen drin. Aber so erklärts natürlich alles.

Trotzdem schade. Ich häng halt einfach doch etwas mehr am Buch als am Film.

Aber trotz allem hat Peter "The Hobbit" Jackson einen guten Film gedreht über einen Stoff, der bis dahin als unverfilmbar galt.

In der Spezial Edition bekomt Sam das kästchen!
Aber ich will ja nicht zu viel verraten! ;)
 
Hier die ersten Reviews zu ROTK:


1. Review:

I live in LA and work in the movie business, so I was able to go to the first Academy Awards screening of ROTK yesterday. Thanksgiving day, and they still filled a big theater - I think that says something about the enthusiasm of LOTR's many fans in the film industry!

What struck me most was how much ROTK really is the third act of one huge epic. All climax and payoff. I couldn't even begin to count the number of thrilling action sequences. And yet, even more than with the other movies, the emotional focus is tight on the characters.

The LOTR movies actually have less in common with fantasy like STAR WARS, and more in common with classic epics like LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and SPARTACUS. So in a fairly traditional sense, ROTK is an old fashioned War Movie. We get the incredible battles, but also the fear in anonymous soldiers' eyes, and our heroes desperately overcoming that fear to do what has to be done - which is of course what MAKES them heroes. Happily, ROTK doesn't glorify war, but rather the impulse for sacrifice, putting yourself on the line for a greater good.

But what all LOTR fans will be saying as they leave the theater is "I cried!" Don't bring a date if you don't want them to see you cry. Do bring Kleenex, whatever. If you love these characters, you're going to cry. Like nine times. Sad crying. Happy crying. Happy-sad crying. You get the picture.

Legolas does a stunt you will never forget, battling an Oliphaunt (Mumak, whatever). Sam is the bravest character in any movie, ever. Just the sequence of Pippin singing for Denethor while Faramir rides off on a suicide mission should net Peter Jackson a Best Director nomination. Eowyn ROCKS as action heroine. And you really DON'T want to know what comes through that gate when Minas Tirith is breached.

That being said, I bet this will be the LOTR pic that improves most on DVD. Obviously the Saruman sequence will be missed by fans. But some of the other character stories definitely seem truncated too.

Aragorn has great stuff to do, but we miss a couple of beats in his transformation. No Houses of Healing - in the book, a nice moment where he "proves" his Kingship in a non-warlike way, and where we see how much the people WANT a King. Same with Denethor - we never really get the sense that he is a good and noble man who has fallen low. He seems spiteful, rather than tragic. His sons are so noble, I found that incongruous. And Arwen is barely present, seeming more like she did in the book - a gift-wrapped prize for the King. Finally, though we spend lots of time with Frodo and Sam, even their trip through Mordor is somewhat ellipsed at the end. Jackson et al seemed mainly concerned with making it clear how the Minas Tirith battles are connected with Frodo's story. This was probably a wise choice, especially for the larger audience who may never have read the books.

But the bottom line is, this is a massive epic which even three LONG movies can barely contain, and Peter Jackson & Company did a great job of bringing it to an incredibly exciting climax and a VERY fulfilling ending. The last few scenes of the movie are particularly well crafted. There's a very subtle, understated scene after the Hobbits return to the Shire, with almost no dialogue. Everything is told by the looks on their faces. These are good actors! And then there's the Grey Havens. (See KLEENEX, above)
I live in LA and work in the movie business, so I was able to go to the first Academy Awards screening of ROTK yesterday. Thanksgiving day, and they still filled a big theater - I think that says something about the enthusiasm of LOTR's many fans in the film industry!

What struck me most was how much ROTK really is the third act of one huge epic. All climax and payoff. I couldn't even begin to count the number of thrilling action sequences. And yet, even more than with the other movies, the emotional focus is tight on the characters.

The LOTR movies actually have less in common with fantasy like STAR WARS, and more in common with classic epics like LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and SPARTACUS. So in a fairly traditional sense, ROTK is an old fashioned War Movie. We get the incredible battles, but also the fear in anonymous soldiers' eyes, and our heroes desperately overcoming that fear to do what has to be done - which is of course what MAKES them heroes. Happily, ROTK doesn't glorify war, but rather the impulse for sacrifice, putting yourself on the line for a greater good.

But what all LOTR fans will be saying as they leave the theater is "I cried!" Don't bring a date if you don't want them to see you cry. Do bring Kleenex, whatever. If you love these characters, you're going to cry. Like nine times. Sad crying. Happy crying. Happy-sad crying. You get the picture.

Legolas does a stunt you will never forget, battling an Oliphaunt (Mumak, whatever). Sam is the bravest character in any movie, ever. Just the sequence of Pippin singing for Denethor while Faramir rides off on a suicide mission should net Peter Jackson a Best Director nomination. Eowyn ROCKS as action heroine. And you really DON'T want to know what comes through that gate when Minas Tirith is breached.

That being said, I bet this will be the LOTR pic that improves most on DVD. Obviously the Saruman sequence will be missed by fans. But some of the other character stories definitely seem truncated too.

Aragorn has great stuff to do, but we miss a couple of beats in his transformation. No Houses of Healing - in the book, a nice moment where he "proves" his Kingship in a non-warlike way, and where we see how much the people WANT a King. Same with Denethor - we never really get the sense that he is a good and noble man who has fallen low. He seems spiteful, rather than tragic. His sons are so noble, I found that incongruous. And Arwen is barely present, seeming more like she did in the book - a gift-wrapped prize for the King. Finally, though we spend lots of time with Frodo and Sam, even their trip through Mordor is somewhat ellipsed at the end. Jackson et al seemed mainly concerned with making it clear how the Minas Tirith battles are connected with Frodo's story. This was probably a wise choice, especially for the larger audience who may never have read the books.

But the bottom line is, this is a massive epic which even three LONG movies can barely contain, and Peter Jackson & Company did a great job of bringing it to an incredibly exciting climax and a VERY fulfilling ending. The last few scenes of the movie are particularly well crafted. There's a very subtle, understated scene after the Hobbits return to the Shire, with almost no dialogue. Everything is told by the looks on their faces. These are good actors! And then there's the Grey Havens. (See KLEENEX, above)


2. Review: When there is any equity in the film-buisness ROTK will become more award than Titanic (11. Oscars!!!) did!

2. Review:

ROTK shows the Matrix how to make a real and fabulos ending of an triology!
 
Hier noch einige Bilder der parade vor der Weltpremiere in Wellington:

Liv Taylor (Arwen) & Orlando Bloom (Legolas)
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Sir IanMcKellan (Gandalf)
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Orlando Bloom (legolas) & Liv Taylor (Arwen)
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Eleya Wood (Frodo)
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Billy Boyd (Pippin)
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Sean Austin (Sam)
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Andy Serkis (Gollum)
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Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn)
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John Rhys-Davis (Gimli)
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Dominic Monaghan (Merry)
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Oh man... ich kanns kaum noch abwarten...

VIER Tage noch!!!

Dann endlich ist es so weit und ich seh endlich das fehlende Puzzleteil in der Filmgeschichte von LotR!!!

Und dann auch noch ALLE DREI AUF EINMAL!!!
JUHUUUU *g*
 
Sania und ich verzichten auf das Tripel, ok, ist etwas Weichei-mässig, aber einerseits muss ich am Nachmittag/ Abend noch arbeiten und andererseits ists uns einfach zu lang, 9 Stunden im Kino zu sitzen.

Dafür machen wir uns heute einen gemütlichen Abend und schauen uns die extended Versions von Teil 1 und 2 an. Ganz gemütlich, mit ner Riesenportion Popcorn, auf dem Sofa. (Wo wir ungestraft auf die Toilette können, wenn wir mal müssen ;)) Und dann am Mittwoch Teil 3. :jump2:
 
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@ Andra: es sind über 10 Stunden (Pausen *g*)

@ Josh: ich hab auch am Nächsten Tag (also am 17.) eine 3 stündige Deutsch Schularbeit zu schreiben *g*
 
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